No danger of a deleted comment here, however my point was that I don’t feel that studies showing how great LDS people are does not prove Mormonism true any more than studies showing that a lot of LDS people are viewing porn shows that Mormonism is false.

I think the interest in the forbidden comment is fair, I also think there is a reason why this has come up in general conference so often,

But anyway that’s by the by. My original comment that I think got your interest that is “… the Mormon church is no massive threat to Christianity as a whole.” still stands. This was not intended to be provocative though I can see why it may have been taken that way.

My point is that I do not do this ministry because I see Mormonism as a threat, I do it because I love the Mormon people and want to communicate what I see as the true gospel to you guys. I think there are threats to Christianity as a whole going on right now from within, I far from think we are untouchable, but we are by no means seeing a mass exodus of evangelicals converting to Mormonism was my point.

You know quite well that the majority of the population of Utah is NOT JC-LDS. Nor is porn commercially available in Utah.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705288350/Utah-No-1-in-online-porn-subscriptions-report-says.html?pg=all

“The forbidden is really tempting,” University of Utah sociology professor Theresa A. Martinez told Davidson. “Where you have a culture that is known for family values, morality and apple pie, you will also have curiosity and interest in the forbidden.”

I don’t see any benefit to going further with this one. I would be very surprised if your studies here has gone too much further than pro Mormon sources. But either way the truthfulness of the gospel is not found this way.

Rather like saying the SCOTUS is not a significant threat to the corrupting forces of American federal law. The members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) consistently set the high water mark on a Christian way of life that heals families and society. It’s documented quantitatively and qualitatively from all neutral sources.

Your orthodox membership is primarily zero sum with independent mega churches killing traditional community churches.

Mormons as you know are fantastic people, adding a lot to the world when it comes to good morals and a good example of religion. I also agree that despite my views on Mormonism, the Mormon church is no massive threat to Christianity as a whole.

I also struggle with the phrase “Mormons are not Christians”, who am I to make a general statement like that about so many millions of people? However the phrase “Mormonism is not Christian” is a phrase I very comfortably make.

True Christianity consists of convicting sinners in their need for a Saviour and bringing them to a Jesus totally sufficient to make them righteous in the sight of God, by virtue of His work in them in response to their faith in Him. I see Christianity as Christ standing in front of the sinful world saying “Come to Me”.

I see Mormonism as a works based system standing before Christ saying, if you want to get to Him, you need to do all that we ask of you. Have you heard of the Mormon hymn, I am a child of God, it has this line.

Lead me, guide me, walk beside me,
Help me find the way.
Teach me all that I must do
To live with him someday.

This idea is written all over Mormonism, its no more clear than can be found in the temple. Do you really think that Jesus wants you to call your wife out of the grave in the next life, who is her Saviour Christ or you? Are handshakes going to make you acceptable to God?

Mormonism takes the God centred gospel away and reintroduces a man centred, man dependant gospel. Unless you can give me a reason of substance why I am wrong, then my position remains the same.

I really hope in your inactivity as a Mormon you consider issues like this. In my experience even inactive Mormons still defend it to the death, maybe their is an element of guilt that they do not meet the standards and so try and be faithful in that way, I am not sure but either way I am happy to talk more and help in anyway I can.

https://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2014/01/04/what-is-a-christian/

Actually, as the frog in hot water, slowly coming to a boil… I thought I was already in the fire of Christianity when my delayed education caught-up with me and we realized that Mormonism was not Christianity. (see comments) http://lifeafter.org/exit-story-of-lee-baker/

Which I think is a fairly clear perspective he has. However I would agree that it’s right to never say a blanket statement of “Mormons are not Christians” this should never be said, as who is to say all Mormons aren’t? However I would agree that Mormonism as a whole is not Christian by any means.

He never said that Mormons are not Christians; just different. Mormons acknowledge that up front.