Comments on: Feelings, Feelings, Feelings!

By: Mr. H Lions

Mr. H Lions — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 16:43:08 +0000

“We must all be careful, ‘for we dont know all things’ “

Perhaps we are not supposed to
“For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief.”
-Ecclesiastes 1:18

on the other hand

“He who gets wisdom loves his own soul; he who cherishes understanding prospers.”
-Proverbs 19:8

Confusing isn’t it.

“Its only God who judges the children of men.”

The Mormon disagree they say it is a panel of God Jesus and Joseph Smith who will judge every soul.

Its true the bible has told us to test the spirits whether they are from God.

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, BUT TEST THE SPIRITS, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.” (1 John 4:1-4)

Yes but since the Bible also tells us the devil is
“the father of lies (John 8:44)”
This does not seem a very conclusive or trustworthy test.

“But God is still the ultimate judge. We all need to think about ourselves and our love ones and how best to serve the Lord, worship Him in truth and in spirit. Let us all leave the rest to God the Almighty for the last day we will all appear to the father to give account of our lives on this earth, Trully this earth is a testing ground for all of us. “

Ah but remember the Parable of the Talents
“25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered, ‘Evil and lazy slave! So you knew that I harvest where I didn’t sow and gather where I didn’t scatter? 27 Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received my money back with interest! 28 Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten. 29 For the one who has will be given more, and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30 And throw that worthless slave into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth’” (Matthew 25:25-30).

“Keep thinking of this….”
Yup do that

By: Senam

Senam — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 01:06:52 +0000

We must all be careful, ‘for we dont know all things’ Its only God who judges the children of men.
Its true the bible has told us to test the spirits whether they are from God. But God is still the ultimate judge. We all need to think about ourselves and our love ones and how best to serve the Lord, worship Him in truth and in spirit. Let us all leave the rest to God the Almighty for the last day we will all appear to the father to give account of our lives on this earth, Trully this earth is a testing ground for all of us. Keep thinking of this….

By: Stephen A.

Stephen A. — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:20:05 +0000

A fantastic and well-delivered argument. Great work, supercristie.

By: Gail

Gail — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:35:43 +0000

Sorry Bobby my comment was not directed at you but the other guy previously.

By: Gail

Gail — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:34:48 +0000

Thank you so much, I was saying that in some ways the LDs people are far better than evangelical CHristians but then again, you are too stupid to see what I was saying. By the way I have dyslexia.

By: Mr Lions

Mr Lions — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:58:12 +0000

Years ago, in my youth, I took a job selling a certain brand of vacuum cleaners.
(I wont put the name of the brand up on a public board, but most people know about the cleaner that is only sold by pushy telephone sales people blagging their way into having you agree to have a rep visit you in your home. Once he is in you wont get rid of him until you agree to a five year payment plan for a large bulky and inefficient cleaner. Yup that’s the one.)
Now our training manager was a former Mormon mission president and he gave us all photocopied pages from the Latter Day Saints Missionary training manual. He had thoughtfully crossed out every mention of Church, God or the BOM and replaced it with the word ****Cleaner.
He quite rightly pointed out the missionary training manual was the best high pressure selling manual in existence. It is the product of a combined ongoing project by the psychology and marketing faculties of BYU (Brigham Young University).
Missionaries are taught to manipulate and coerce investigators into an ongoing programme of sales seminars. The aim of each seminar is to elicit from the prospective converts a promise. (it is always better if there are two or more investigators at a time, they will reinforce one another’s commitment and help resolve one another’s doubts.)
Each Promise to do something is accompanied by the commitment to have the next ‘lesson’ in order to discuss how it is going. A firm appointment for this next meeting will be made before the end of the visit. The session will then end with a prayer, which reaffirms the promise to do whatever it is to God and the further promise to continue to pray about the said promise.
Since investigators are obviously going to be some kind of believer, this places them in their own minds in the position of being under an oath.
Each of the five lessons will be accompanied by a greater and greater commitment and promise each accompanied by a promise to God to further pray about it, which if all goes well will be culminated with the promise to be baptised.
Investigators are usually carried along by the mix of company, care, attention and a feeling of belonging, combined with as they see it an obligation to keep a sacred oath to God.
Typically after the second lesson, you will invite the investigator to start attending the church on a Sunday.
This itself is usually surprising, since going to Church at a Mormon church is not such a simple matter.
· There is typically a service (1 hour)
· followed by Sunday School (1 hour)
· followed by Priesthood for the men and Relief Society for the women (nursery for the young children) (Another hour).
· Then there is typically another half hour socialising before you are made comfortable enough to feel you can leave.
During this last socialising section the missionaries will introduce you to another family or individual who will ‘Friendship’ you. Friendshiping will lead to an invitation to visit the home of the Mormon family where more unofficial lessons and testimonies will be given to you. It is also not uncommon for missionaries to happen to call in, during these friendshipping sessions.

Very quickly, you begin to make the church the centre of the investigators life and social circle, to such an extent that they feel they belong and are comfortable as a Mormon. The final stage is simply to tell the investigator that this feeling of belonging is a testament of the Holy Spirit as to the ‘correctness’ of the Church.

Once hooked the new member will be baptised and receive weekly top ups of communality by ‘Home Visits’ from other Mormons, ‘Home Teaching’ from missionaries and the chance to ‘Friendship’ new investigators of their own. This is of course as well as the regular compulsory church attendance, and frequent church socials and the chance to become a home teacher of home visitor yourself.
Compared to this comfortable life of belonging and constant reassurance combined with the psychological impact of Tithing and the constant striving for promotion within the church and temple structure leads to institutionalism.
Mormonism is thrust upon the investigator and convert as a complete lifestyle, not just a religion.
Leaving the church, even when you have honest doubts becomes something to be feared, as does the profane world outside of Mormonism.

This is why Mormonism is dangerous, insidious and something to be warned against.

By: Bobby

Bobby — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:11:17 +0000

Fantastic thats the closest I have come to hatemail this far, simply I love you and please whenever your ready to look at the issues I am presenting, Ill be right here.

By: supercristie

supercristie — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:09:52 +0000

Your grammar, and more importantly, your logic, reasoning and understanding are appalling.

By: Gail

Gail — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:54:52 +0000

How true Bobby, the missionaries try to baptise you asap, you don’t know what you get into when you join the LDS Church, it’s all secret, it’s only after a couple of years you find what their beliefs really are. Sadly the Mormons are picking up the unpaid bills of the evangelical Church,

By: Bobby

Bobby — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:41:46 +0000

Hi Stephen you raise a massively fair point there, i actually meant to say something like that in the post but forgot. I have spoke to many Christians whose basis of faith is very largely a form of internal witness, i think the difference is, its not a widespread thing that all do, its more down to the individual, whereas the premise of Mormonism is, pray about the book of mormon and follow the feelings, as long as they says its true.

The thinking and devotion thing varies, many Missionaries are under so much pressure to get baptisms that the slightest glimmer of a warm feeling from an investogator will be met with the response of your ready off you go.

This leads to a mass of people joining the Mormon Church and then quickly leaving because they really had no idea what they were getting themselves into in the first place, I think your point may stand for people brought up in the LDS church, however when it comes to converts i think your point will be very hit and miss in its reality.