Comments on: Elder Poelmans Conference Talk

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[…] My experience as I imagine many others is with Mormons, is that when they talk about being converted they say “I was converted to the Church….” I see this all the time. One example that really comes to mind is a talk done by a member of the 70 called Elder Poelman in 1984. […]

By: Bobby

Bobby — Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:56:41 +0000

Workin on it :)

By: Kate

Kate — Fri, 11 Mar 2011 04:13:50 +0000

Dane.
Well actually I wasn’t really talking about polygamy, I was using it as an example of “principles” which this thread is about. You are the one who went off on a tangent about the practice of polygamy. :) But it is time to move on. Maybe Bobby is close to having another subject for us to discuss.

By: Dane Mutters

Dane Mutters — Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:05:08 +0000

Kate,
I’m glad you shared your story about why you left the LDS Church. I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing, as I think we should be true to what is in our hearts; if Mormonism is not in your heart, and more traditional Christianity is, then you should go with more traditional Christianity. I don’t blame you for it, and in fact I applaud you for being so honest with yourself. I don’t think that any faith is justified if you only think you *should* embrace it; you must do it for your own reasons. That is more pure than any individual religion ever can be, in my opinion. That being said, I have known quite a lot of people who have left the Church for lesser reasons, just as I have known people to join it for the wrong reasons. When I make a generalization about anything, I mean it as just that–generally; there are always plenty of exceptions.

Unfortunately, I fear that we have gotten off-topic (for this thread, specifically) with talk of polygamy. It is a valid issue to discuss on this blog, or so I believe, but as far as I can tell, it’s not valid (i.e. on-topic) for this particular topic. I would prefer to discuss the matter at hand, or else move on to another thread.

By: Kate

Kate — Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:46:17 +0000

Dane,
This comment has been bothering me and I’d like to clear some things up. I get really irritated when someone leaves the LDS church and mormom members think they know the reason. It has to be that they have either sinned horribly, or someone has offended them or they just can’t live the gospel of mormonism because it’s too hard, or they chose “the simpler option” of Christianity. Do you think that just maybe I went out and bought a King James Bible (not affiliated with the LDS) and asked the Lord to take me where he wanted me to go? Show me who he truly is? Teach me the truth that is him??? Because that is what I did. I didn’t know the true and living God as a mormon. Mormonism can’t even figure out who God is. The Book of Mormon teaches three in one (like Christianity), then Joseph Smith says “Wait! There are millions of gods and you can be one too! Then along comes Brigham Young and he says “No, wait, Adam is God and the only God with which we have to do.” Then he dies and again it’s ” Wait! Joseph was right and we can all be gods! What utter confusion! God himself says he’s not the author of confusion. Mormons always say that the church is perfect but the people are not. The reason I left is because of the church, not the people and I found the true and living Christ. He’s not the Christ of mormonism. He’s not my spirit brother. He’s found in the Bible, not the Book of Abraham or the Book of Mormon. Check it out! :)

By: Kate

Kate — Wed, 09 Mar 2011 01:19:16 +0000

Hi Dave!,
Personally, I believe it was number 2!

By: Kate

Kate — Wed, 09 Mar 2011 01:15:29 +0000

Dane,
I think the “simpler” thing for me is to follow Christ and only Christ. It’s true when I say that Jesus is enough for me. Hope you’re feeling better. :)

By: Dave P.

Dave P. — Tue, 08 Mar 2011 20:42:41 +0000

I’d like to make the point that one of the following happened: 1. Joseph Smith was being deceived about plural marriage being an eternal principle. 2. Joseph Smith intentionally deceived the church about it being an eternal principle. Or 3. Joseph’s words were altered by those who came after him who taught that it was an eternal principle.

Want the eternal principle on plural marriage that the Book of Mormon teaches? Plural marriage, in any form, as an abomination to the unchanging God who has never nor will he ever grant an exception in any form. Jacob 2:30 is not talking about “authorized” plural marriage, it’s talking about the righteous seed that the Lord is wanting to raise up in the Americas hearkening to their own desires (“these things” – plural marriage) because they weren’t obeying the commandments.

By: Dane Mutters

Dane Mutters — Tue, 08 Mar 2011 20:13:26 +0000

Kate,
That’s understandable. The religion is, as you know, very complex, and relies very heavily on nuances to influence how things should be done and interpreted. I can understand, however, the need or preference for something more “solid,” and I respect that. Even though I can’t exactly say that any aspect of Christianity (Mormon or not) is entirely concrete, as there are enough different and contradictory interpretations of the same books (those of the Bible) that literally hundreds (or possibly more, depending on definition) of Christian varieties exist (often varying greatly in even one congregation), I can appreciate that traditional Christianity (in its various forms) is simpler than Mormonism by quite a bit. I certainly don’t fault you for choosing the simpler option, despite whatever doctrinal disagreements we may have.

Have a good day. :-)

–Dane

(P.S. I’m again writing shortly after waking up…)

By: Kate

Kate — Mon, 07 Mar 2011 23:00:50 +0000

Dane,
OK, I’ll cut you a break this time:) I won’t “scrutinize” too much. I’ll just say that your explanations are just like mormonism…..wishy-washy:) I like to have something a bit more “solid” and reliable now days.