Comments on: General Conference October 2014. Sunday Morning Session, by Bobby Gilpin

By: Henry Lions

Henry Lions — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:15:22 +0000

Who said anything about sacking anyone?
I simply pointed out that it is to the advantage of the church to keeps the current incumbent in office for as long as possible to prevent the accession of a potentially embarrassing and unpleasant successor.
President Packer may be A prophet (as are officially all of the apostles) but he is not THE prophet.
However if you ask most Mormons how many prophets head the church they would indignantly tell you there is only one prophet, it is another of those deliberately fudged areas of Mormon dogma.
The Apostles are called to be Prophets, Seers and Revelators, but this in effect only means they CAN become THE prophet of the church, not that they ARE Prophets of the church and entitled to speak as such.

But if I take your point, why is President Packer so often given authority to say things so directly in opposition to the official professed policy of the LDS as a whole and his fellows “prophets” in particular?

By: Bobby

Bobby — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:22:26 +0000

There’s a big difference between not knowing about the claims of your leaders and not accepting them.

By: Bobby

Bobby — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:22:02 +0000

Yeah but my point is that this stuff is written all over the Bible. Its just plagiarism to say that your “Prophets” are bringing anything new to this discussion, they are simply repeating what the word of God has said for years, this is what Christian preachers all over the world do every week. If they want to take the title of Prophet away and replace it with teacher then by all means.

By: Magic Fingers

Magic Fingers — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:18:54 +0000

I’m surprised you can write so much (so very, very much) criticising Mormon leadership when the points you make show you know so very little about it.
President Monson can’t be sacked because he’s old / ill / senile – his only “Change of assignment” will come when he dies at which point he will be mourned and missed by millions.
And President Packer IS a Prophet of the Lord and can therefore speak with authority on topics which he sees fit.

By: Magic Fingers

Magic Fingers — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:11:03 +0000

Well – to set people right that it is THE WORD AND WILL OF THE LORD that marriage is a union of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others, for life or for time and all eternity; rather than a legalistic construct to determine the division of communal property between any two people who choose to live together for a while.

Many people, even Christians (including Mormons) had been swayed to accept the “world view” of marriage, and now they’ve been put right.

Prophets have made similar clarifications (declaring THE WORD AND WILL OF THE LORD) concerning women and the Priesthood.

Those who have ears to hear…

By: Henry Lions

Henry Lions — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:37:28 +0000

Poor old Mr Monson is being sustained in his office as president for one reason and one reason alone.
When he succumbs to mortality, as we all will, the next in line for the post is Boyd K. Packer a man who has proven himself such an embarrassment to the church with his many politically incorrect statements, avocations of now disavowed doctrines and plain stupidity.
Boyd K. Packer is the man who seriously extolled the idea that historian should not be listened to because they as an occupational group were obsessed with finding out the truth and that was a bad thing because truth is not a good thing, if I recall correctly he gave the example of declaring all the female workers in the LDS offices were Fat and Ugly and that was the truth, but he would not tell them that because truth is a bad thing, like wise church history should not be investigated in case it proved unedifying.
Then of course there is the infamous “little factory” talk a source of much hilarity since it was given
The 30 year, one man war on, and condemnation of the American educational system for teaching humanism, pragmatism and philosophy by irreverent professors who are determined to destroy the family unit and God’s Church on behalf of their satanic masters. All of which he blames on publicly funded schools, that should give way to moral church education and home education of Mormon children by Mormon families.
His unashamed bigotry is shown in this little pearl “The dangers I speak of come from the gay-lesbian movement, the feminist movement (both of which are relatively new), and the ever-present challenge from the so-called scholars or intellectuals.”
And of course his public out dated stance against inter-racial marriage is still causes a few red faces and much *ahem* ing, when he puts it forward as still valid church doctrine.
Imagine if this gaffmeister began speaking with the authority of being a living prophet, the church would be lucky to last a week with out mass apostasy and the legal writs beginning to fly.
LDS legal department on standby.

No wonder conference talk lack prophetic content, each new prophet has had to contend with the historical, sometimes illegal and contradictory rubbish revelations, put forward by his predecessors, after Mr Benson, the word seems to have gone out, ENOUGH, and revelation ceased.

Cruel as it seems, Mr Monson being kept in post seems to be useful to the LDS even if he is ill since he may still outlive Boyd K. Packer and if he is senile he can be controlled and his words fed to him after being vetted and approved by committee, this being the case it would seem Mr Monsons mental state, yet physical strength have proved to be a blessing to the church as a whole and its governing body in particular.

By: Bobby

Bobby — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:44:55 +0000

How is that new?

By: Magic Fingers

Magic Fingers — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:44:30 +0000

“Can any Mormon give me an example of when this has happened? ”
Yup…
Marriage.