Comments on: The Miracle of Forgiveness Chapter 7 Review, ‘Sins of Omission.’ By Vicky Gilpin http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2014/05/22/the-miracle-of-forgiveness-chapter-7-review-sins-of-omission-by-vicky-gilpin/ Wed, 09 Sep 2015 20:49:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Bobby http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2014/05/22/the-miracle-of-forgiveness-chapter-7-review-sins-of-omission-by-vicky-gilpin/#comment-29570 Sun, 26 Jul 2015 16:01:46 +0000 http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/?p=2212#comment-29570 Hi there Lillian

thanks a lot for your friendly comment, its well appreciated.

I think your comment about the LDS faith communicating the same doctrine of grace as mainstream Christianity is one I would have to strongly disagree with, please let me explain.

From what I can tell in the LDS faith there are multiple meanings for the word Salvation. The true to the faith manual identifies six different types if I remember rightly. The first one being salvation from physical death, which means we are all raised in the next life. I do appreciate that within Mormonism this is by grace and no one earns this. However I would have to argue that this is no salvation at all, many will be raised in the next life to judgement and a possible eternity in hell, or outer darkness, can this really be called salvation?

However more importantly I think the big issue here is “exaltation”. Your final point even acknowledges that this is not purely by grace. You said:

From where we came from, to why we are here, to where exactly we can choose based on our obedience and desires to go when we die.

This is echoed time and time again within Mormonism, heres a few ocassions.

“Very gladly would the Lord give to everyone eternal life, but since that blessing can come only on merit – through the faithful performance of duty – only those who are worthy shall receive it. Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 2:5).

“Immortality has been accomplished by the Savior’s sacrifice. Eternal life hangs in the balance awaiting the works of men” (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 208)

“It is the celestial glory which we seek. It is in the presence of God we desire to dwell. It is a forever family in which we want membership. Such blessings must be earned” (Thomas Monson, “An Invitation to Exaltation,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 1988, p. 56).

Of course this is not by grace at all. Grace meaning the unmerited favour of God. If you want to spend eternity with God, you do not get that unless you earn it. This has no place in mainstream Christianity at all. In the Bible we see Salvation carrying one meaning, which is to become righteous in the sight of God, and to spend eternity with Him. This is not by works, so no one may boast. This is why in the Bible we see it is by grace through faith so no one may boast. (Ephesians 2:8) and why in the Book of Mormon, we are saved by grace after all we can do (2 nephi 25:23).

I would have to say that if you think your faith is the same as mainstream Christianity in this area it would be well worth doing some reading on this subject. Have you ever read the Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer W Kimball? That is of course an LDS publication and makes my point on this very well.

Thanks for commenting, I hope to talk again soon.

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By: Lillian http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2014/05/22/the-miracle-of-forgiveness-chapter-7-review-sins-of-omission-by-vicky-gilpin/#comment-29569 Sun, 26 Jul 2015 14:06:23 +0000 http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/?p=2212#comment-29569 I’m LDS. I have felt anxious, depressed, overwhelmed since joining the Church three years ago. In case you were wondering, I’m only seventeen. However, you have something wrong, as I did when I felt anxious and depressed. You see, the LDS Church believes in grace just as much as any other Christian. We do not believe in salvation by works or condemnation for not being perfect. We believe in salvation by the mercy, merits, and grace of our Savior (see 2 Nephy 2:8 in the Book of Mormon). The only real difference between the LDS view of grace is that we consider why grace was needed in the first place. We’re all very well aware that God created us to have weaknesses, but that does not mean God excuses our shortcomings. God does not condone sin in any degree; rather, he shows mercy when we fall short. God has a grand plan for His children–to become like Him. To be perfect like Him. To have all that He has. As any good parent wishes for his children to grow up and be good citizens as he is, so does God. Except to reach the heights and the quality of life and joy of God requires perfection. That is the purpose of the Atonement to, in essence, buy us time while God works His magic in our imperfect souls. We all find ourselves talking negatively and unkindly to ourselves about ANYTHING from our appearance to our performance in our careers, etc., and for those who do not understand grace in the Church or anywhere risk that negative self-talk and lack of compassion for ones self to reach their relationship with God. Mormonism is not any different than mainstream Christianity. The only point of doctrine that is truly different that I can think of is God being separate from His beloved son Jesus Christ. The other points of difference aren’t conflicting with Christianity but adding to it–bringing back the fullness of the Gospel. From where we came from, to why we are here, to where exactly we can choose based on our obedience and desires to go when we die. :)

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