Forgive me but I don’t think I have misunderstood Dee (who has offered a challenge then apparently walked off) I simply countered with a comment on the basic understanding of what the Bible is. It is no good saying, “lets talk about the Bible,” if we don’t first establish whether we trust the Bible.
I know full well that Mormons “use” the Bible but I question whether Mormons allow the Bible to speak for itself. We both use the Bible but I trust it while Mormons don’t even trust their own scriptures, hence my quoting the introduction to the Book of Mormon.
I am happy to discuss faith based only on the Bible but I doubt any Mormon could do it because Mormons don’t get their faith from the Bible, rather, they take their faith to the Bible. But if you – or Dee – want a discussion I am up for it.
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pg. 29 there is a picture of the Savior with a insert on doctrinal points.
1. Maintain faith in the power of the Atonement of Jesus Christ
2. Put Heavenly Father first in our lives
3. Dedicate our life and consecrate our time to the building the kingdom
of God.
-Ned
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]]>I appreciate this is likely not how you think, and of course others too, but I think you far from represent the majority view in Mormonism and the responses on that video does seem to support that view.
]]>“1. We only use the bible (I’m suggesting the KJV as Latter-day saints use it as their standard).
“2. We both already accept the existence of God.
“3. We’re only trying to argue who has a more robust interpretation of the Bible, as diverging into other Anti Mormon literature is a distraction.”
Bobby has said he is not willing to do this.
In response to this, you went into a lecture about how Mormons do not believe in the Bible. You miss Dee’s point. Dee is offering to engage in a discussion based solely on the Bible.
I am a Mormon. I have read the Old Testament from beginning to end probably 4 to 6 times, once in Spanish and the remaining times in English. I don’t have any idea how many times I have read the New Testament, but more than the Old Testament. I have taught the Old Testament multiple times for an entire year’s curriculum in the church, as well as the New Testament. I love these books and find them consistent with the Book of Mormon, in setting forth God’s word.
I also am a Christian. And, although I believe that you are handicapped and mistaken in your understanding of God and Christ and the good news, I fully accept that you too are a Christian, one who believes that Jesus Christ is our Savior and the only means by which we can return to our God.
I appreciate Bobby’s attempt to write about his beliefs about Christ. As to what I, as a Mormon, believe about Christ, you may be interested in some entries I wrote a few years ago. I cited Biblical references for each of the beliefs. (It was never finished, and it does not get into really the most important aspect of my belief–that through His grace I can be saved.)
http://meiklesmusings.blogspot.com/2012/01/normal-0-microsoftinternetexplorer4.html
“Grace be with you,” my brothers. May we appreciate our unity, not only our differences.
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]]>However onto the 2nd point, I think this is a matter of diluting the sufficiency of Christ for our eternity.
We see in Philippians 1:21 Paul’s absolute longing to die and be with Christ, we see in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Christ coming for His people and them forever being with Him. In Revelation 7:9 we see the great crowd before the throne bringing honour to Christ. This is Christianity that we might know, love and adore Christ eternally.
It may seem harmless enough just to throw the family unit in there however in doing so it dilutes the sufficiency of an eternity with Christ saying actually eternity with Him alone is not all I want.
As well there is a massive other side to this, I think within Mormonism the family has become an idol, check out this video where many LDS people are asked what is the most important thing to them. You dont need to watch it all to get the idea.
We see the Christians placing Christ above all things even the family, as Christ said He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. (Matthew 10:37)
Many Mormons if they are honest would say love their family more than Christ, because thats who they are really looking forward to their eternity with, and therefore thats who matters the most. To call what I am saying simply the basics, that are ok for some not all is an insult to the greatness of Christ.
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