By: stephenlivings

stephenlivings — Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:15:06 +0000

Hi again Ned. :-) All that is needed is to keep on reading John 17 and we see it tie in perfectly with John 1. “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” So the ‘Word made flesh’ who was God and was with God in the beginning is here talking to God the Father and asking him to restore to him the glory he had before the world was. This fits in perfectly with the Trinitarian description of God.

You have missed the point of my use of John 17 to conclude my post, which was to point out that real eternal life, according to the Bible, is knowing the only true God and Jesus who was sent to us. This is in opposition to what Uchtdorf was claiming which was that God’s great desire is to help us be exalted to godhood.

By: Ned Scarisrick

Ned Scarisrick — Mon, 26 Aug 2013 16:55:05 +0000

So, according to the Bible, Jehovah (or Jesus) is God and ‘there is none else beside him’, and Jesus was ‘in the beginning’, he was both ‘with God’ and ‘was God’ and all things were made by him. This points to the Trinitarian view, and not the LDS view. Remember that the Bible consistently teaches that there is one God and refers to Jesus as God on many occasions. Jesus even refers to himself as God: “Before Abraham was, I am” John 8:58

Interesting…If you take this literal view then Jesus can’t be God because in John 17:3 we read, “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” Now if it said “who is” instead of “and” you might have a point.

-Ned Scarisbrick

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