Comments on: A Different Jesus? http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2012/06/09/a-different-jesus/ Sun, 26 Jul 2015 16:01:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Bobby http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2012/06/09/a-different-jesus/#comment-5675 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:24:25 +0000 http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/?p=669#comment-5675 Thanks for those points Sue its a good reminder that there is so much Biblical material showing this stuff.

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By: Sue P http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2012/06/09/a-different-jesus/#comment-5668 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 01:10:05 +0000 http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/?p=669#comment-5668 Surely the only true test of the TRUTH is whether it matches up to what the Saviour himself taught – He is the Word and our only mediator with the Father.

John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” and in verse 14: “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us…”

And Matthew 1:23 ” Behold a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

Jesus proclaimed “I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.” (Isaiah 44:6) and in Rev 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

With seemingly no scriptural evidence , Joseph pronounced in the King Follett sermon, that God was once a man like us; he “change(d) the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.” (Romans 1:23)

Search the scriptures, does Jesus himself say that Lucifer is his spirit brother? Or that God was once a man?

Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man, that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent.”

Love and peace to all…

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By: Sue P http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2012/06/09/a-different-jesus/#comment-5667 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:45:58 +0000 http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/?p=669#comment-5667 Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

So if Jesus was Jehovah as Mormonism teaches, then on logic alone, he has always been God.

There are several verses in the Book of Mormon that seem to teach this:

Mosiah 3:5 “For behold, the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power, the Lord Omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all ETERNITY to ETERNITY, shall come down from heaven among the children of men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, and shall go forth amongst men, working mighty miracles, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, causing the lame to walk, the blind to receive their sight, and the deaf to hear, and curing all manner of diseases.”

Mosiah 7:26-27 “And because he said unto them that Christ was the God, the Father of all things, and said that he should take upon him the image of man, and it was the image after which man was created in the beginning;…and that God should come down among the children of men, and take upon him flesh and blood, and go forth upon the face of the earth-” (See also Mosiah 14:34)

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By: Sue P http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2012/06/09/a-different-jesus/#comment-5666 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:15:15 +0000 http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/?p=669#comment-5666 Many believe they know and follow Jesus yet will not be saved, our very salvation depends on us following the right Jesus, else all is in vain.

Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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By: http://news.yahoo.com http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2012/06/09/a-different-jesus/#comment-5429 Sun, 27 Jan 2013 06:01:05 +0000 http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/?p=669#comment-5429 fantastic issues altogether, you just received a new reader.

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By: Bobby http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2012/06/09/a-different-jesus/#comment-4941 Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:57:12 +0000 http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/?p=669#comment-4941 Well the door is always open James take your time, however I don’t see how it would be helpful to break my argument up into little pieces which is why I put it into a blog post. Mostly my point in my response, was that your paraphrase of my post was obviously inaccurate, though it was helpful to see your perspective on it.

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By: James http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2012/06/09/a-different-jesus/#comment-4940 Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:54:21 +0000 http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/?p=669#comment-4940 Bobby,
I am obviously not going to respond to your entire blog post in a single comment, nor do I want to. I’d be happy to discuss perhaps a single verse, or a specific sub-topic, with you. I think you are asking far too much if you expect someone to address your entire blog post all at once.

You can pick a topic if you want, and I’ll give you my thoughts on in.

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By: Bobby http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2012/06/09/a-different-jesus/#comment-4939 Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:40:13 +0000 http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/?p=669#comment-4939 Well James that was worth a few months wait haha

Jesus said in John 8:24 “Unless you believe I am He you will die in your sins”.

What we believe about Jesus affects our eternity, you have agreed that you do not believe in Jesus the same way that the evangelical world does. The evangelical world takes their view from the bible, the Mormon world takes it from what their church leaders have told them. This Jesus as taught by your church leaders is theologically not the same Jesus as the biblical one (that’s the argument of my post) therefore Mormons are dying in their sins is my point. Please note I never mentioned the whole spirit brother of satan thing I wanted to move on past that.

Let me know if you want to come back and deal with what I actually said in the post.

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By: Dane Mutters http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2012/06/09/a-different-jesus/#comment-4938 Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:27:15 +0000 http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/?p=669#comment-4938 James, I think you’ve “hit it on the head.” The term, “different Jesus” is more hyperbole than truth, and is typically seen as being quite inflammatory by those on the receiving end of it. I would encourage those interested in having civil, productive conversations with Mormons to avoid using such artificially-divisive terms.

Sure, we believe different things about Jesus than mainstream Christians do–and we’re often willing to talk about that; but to say that one version of Jesus is the “real/correct” one by implication (i.e. “not the different/other Jesus”) is needlessly offensive–and not everyone is able to keep cool when their beliefs are being insulted in such a fashion.

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By: James http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2012/06/09/a-different-jesus/#comment-4937 Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:20:34 +0000 http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/?p=669#comment-4937 Bobby,

Let me do you a favor and summarize your entire post: “Mormons believe different things about Jesus than Evangelicals do.” There. That was easy.

Mormons will be the first ones to agree with you. We have different beliefs from you regarding Jesus’ nature, mission, etc. I have no interest in dissecting your (extremely long) blog post to debate all the ways that we differ, because I think what is more important at this point is that you are preaching to the choir when you say that Mormons and Evangelical have different, sometimes vastly different, ideas about Jesus. I obviously am not going to agree that your view of Christ is closer to the Bible’s view of Christ. I think Mormons have it closer, but I am biased of course (as we all are).

But there is a crucial point on which Evangelicals often get it very, very wrong. It is sometimes argued that the “Mormon Jesus” is entirely different individual from that Jesus portrayed in the Bible. It is as if they are suggesting that Mormons believe that two different individuals named “Jesus” walked through Israel, healing the sick and raising the dead, and dying for mankind, and that Mormons believe in one of them while Evangelicals believe in the other. This is of course utterly ridiculous.

We do not believe in “another Jesus”. Instead, we believe different things about the “same Jesus”. This is an incredibly important distinction.

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