Comments on: God Himself was once as we are now

By: Kate

Kate — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:57:37 +0000

I’m so glad that you were able to visit Utah! It is a beautiful place for sure. I have also been to England a few times. Twice to London and once to Canterbury. I’ve sailed from Dover to Calais. I love Europe! :)

By: mormonisminvestigated

mormonisminvestigated — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:54:04 +0000

I am so glad you said all that, I just did not know where to go with that one, I have never seen anyone attempt to defend their own faith by not quoting anything from their own texts and just quote clearly heretical texts and say that I have to view the bible in light of those. That was a very new one on me.

By: Kate

Kate — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:49:44 +0000

OK, after reading the rest of the discussion I have noticed that Allen has quoted several “non Mormon” scriptural texts. I can tell you that most if not all Mormons have no clue to what he is referring to. It’s not the intent of the discussion either. Since Allen hasn’t quoted any Mormon scripture here, I will do so. This is what Joseph Smith has to say about the Book of Mormon in the Introduction of the BoM. ” I told the brethren that the BoM was the most correct of any book on the earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by it’s precepts, than any other book.” Bearing this in mind, let’s continue. In the “Testimony of the three witnesses” ( Those swearing that they actually saw the gold plates) they end with ” And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is ONE GOD.” Would Joseph Smith let this be published in the book if he did not believe it. Now for an actual scripture.

Alma 11:26-29
26 And Zeezrom said unto him: Thou sayest there is a true and living God?
27 And Amulek said: Yea, there is a true and living God.
28 Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God?
29 And he answered, No.

Alma 11:38-39
38 Now Zeezrom saith again unto him: Is the Son of God the very Eternal Father?
39 And Amulek said unto him: Yea, he is the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth, and all things which in them are; he is the beginning and the end, the first and the last;
Alma 11:44 Is too long and I don’t want to type it out, but it does say in it that everything will be restored to it’s perfect frame and brought to be arraigned before the bar of “Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit which is ONE ETERNAL GOD”.

There are several scriptures throughout the BoM which say this.
All I can say is that I believe the Bible to be the Word of God, and the most correct book on the earth. I’ve been taught all of my life that it can’t be trusted because it’s not translated correctly. Who’s translation? Mormonism’s? I’ll take my chances with the Lord instead thanks. I believe God is who he says he is and I also believe what he says in the New Testament about the latter days and who and what to look out for. Bottom line, Jesus is enough for me.

By: mormonisminvestigated

mormonisminvestigated — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:36:33 +0000

Thanks for that Kate that is a great story, and I can honestly say I LOVED it in Utah, what a place, so much more interesting than the UK. It’s great that ministries like this helped you, often it’s just a case of trusting that it’s the people who don’t comment that are getting benefit from these sites so it’s great to hear of someone who has.

I am guessing you found this site through a certain loud mouths tv show?:) Just kidding I love Shawn it was great to meet him.

Anyway please hang around and please feel free to be a Christian voice whenever you want on this site as there are few of us.

By: Kate

Kate — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:37:58 +0000

I’m from Utah believe it or not. Yes, both sides of my family are Mormon. My maternal side were converts to the Church and migrated from Denmark and Sweden. My paternal side lived in New York during the beginning of the Mormon movement and 2 of my great, great, great, great aunts were sealed to Joseph Smith. Their mother was sealed to Joseph Smith Sr. ( no mention of a divorce from her legal husband) Her husband never converted to Mormonism. So I have a very long background in the religion. I was never taught in Church that Joseph Smith was a polygamist by the way. I found it out when my Grandmother gave my Father a copy of our family history. I researched it and sure enough. I had been taught that it all started with Brigham Young and the move West. I have spent the last 3 years researching my own history and am just saddened. Thanks to you and others, I pulled myself out of Atheism! Keep doing this please! You never know who you are going to plant seeds in! Thanks and God bless!

By: mormonisminvestigated

mormonisminvestigated — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:54:22 +0000

Thanks for that Kate you are very welcome here great to have someone new commenting, where are you from out of interest?

By: Kate

Kate — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:32:54 +0000

Allen, I have been LDS for 40 years. Do you know when I learned about our religion believing in the plurality of gods??? Well into my 30′s!!!! Why hidden? I have to admit that this did not fit into ANYTHING that I had been taught or believed up to this time. Sadly this isn’t the only thing “hidden” from me. I am so thankful to the Christian community for creating websites like this one. I have learned so much about the true nature of God! All I see here from you is the same tired, old, we are better than everyone, we know it all comments. With the LDS, no one is entitled to an opinion because when the prophet speaks, the thinking has been done for you. Isn’t that right Allen? Praise God that I have seen the “light” and am in the process of having my records removed from this cult. Sorry if that language is too harsh and not what the creator of this website was intending. I’m just adding some insight to Mormonism, as a MORMON for the past 40 years. God bless!

By: mormonisminvestigated

mormonisminvestigated — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 02:57:00 +0000

No I am afraid I am done with responding to you now, what you have shown is that you will show say the bible says something, when I show it doesn’t you will then say I am reading it wrong and should be looking at heretical texts to help me interpret the bible.

Its circular reasoning, you say look I am right the bible says this, I show it doesnt and then you say, oh well your just reading it wrong.

I just can’t be bothered to be honest. If you have any more useful comments that’s fine, if I get more in the way of taunts like egg on face etc, I will just delete it.

By: Allen

Allen — Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:08:16 +0000

The easy way out. Not your going to Utah, but “And regarding the verses you quoted I will give the same service you gave me in explaining what you think and say that they do not indicate that. I am not interested in going around in circles and that is all I will do if I engage with those verses. In my view they are very clearly not saying what you say they are saying and I think we can both predict how that discussion will go.”
You need to show why they should not be taken at face value. When I claimed that the Isaiah verses you posted did not mean what you think they did, I at least backed up my position. You really ought to explain why a verse speaking of other gods isn’t about other gods.

By: mormonisminvestigated

mormonisminvestigated — Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:58:36 +0000

henotheism, didn’t know of that one before thanks.

And regarding the verses you quoted I will give the same service you gave me in explaining what you think and say that they do not indicate that. I am not interested in going around in circles and that is all I will do if I engage with those verses. In my view they are very clearly not saying what you say they are saying and I think we can both predict how that discussion will go.

And my time for our discussion is now gone for a couple of weeks take it easy mate.